Caryn Ann Harlos Posted June 14, 2021 at 09:34 AM Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 at 09:34 AM I am aware of what RONR says on recusal and how it can't be compelled. But I am in a situation now where people are claiming if someone has already come to a strong opinion on a matter that they should recuse themselves from voting. I find that frankly assinine as that is the whole point of advocacy. A person making a motion usually (hopefully) has a strong opinion on the matter, that is why they are advocating the motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted June 14, 2021 at 09:47 AM Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 at 09:47 AM 12 minutes ago, Caryn Ann Harlos said: I am aware of what RONR says on recusal and how it can't be compelled. But I am in a situation now where people are claiming if someone has already come to a strong opinion on a matter that they should recuse themselves from voting. I find that frankly assinine as that is the whole point of advocacy. A person making a motion usually (hopefully) has a strong opinion on the matter, that is why they are advocating the motion. Is there a question here somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryn Ann Harlos Posted June 14, 2021 at 09:51 AM Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 at 09:51 AM Is there a case to be made that someone with a strong opinion "should" recuse themselves even though it cannot be required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted June 14, 2021 at 10:51 AM Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 at 10:51 AM 59 minutes ago, Caryn Ann Harlos said: Is there a case to be made that someone with a strong opinion "should" recuse themselves even though it cannot be required. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 14, 2021 at 12:46 PM Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 at 12:46 PM 3 hours ago, Caryn Ann Harlos said: I find that frankly assinine as that is the whole point of advocacy. It is, at least in a democratic situation. They might have a point in certain administrative and judicial contexts. But not in a situation of the sort described in RONR. Even less so, in my opinion, where they represent a constituency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted June 14, 2021 at 01:14 PM Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 at 01:14 PM 27 minutes ago, Joshua Katz said: But not in a situation of the sort described in RONR. By this, I assume you mean a deliberative assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:03 AM Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:03 AM (edited) 10 hours ago, Daniel H. Honemann said: By this, I assume you mean a deliberative assembly. A deliberative assembly that is not a legislature. Obviously, in certain cases, laws may apply that define conflict of interest differently than we do. Edited June 15, 2021 at 12:04 AM by Joshua Katz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:26 AM Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:26 AM 18 minutes ago, Joshua Katz said: A deliberative assembly that is not a legislature. Obviously, in certain cases, laws may apply that define conflict of interest differently than we do. Well, I suppose there may be a legislative body somewhere in the world which has a rule which says that a member who has already come to a strong opinion on a matter should recuse himself from voting, but I doubt that it will be anywhere in the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted June 15, 2021 at 03:07 AM Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 03:07 AM 17 hours ago, Caryn Ann Harlos said: Is there a case to be made that someone with a strong opinion "should" recuse themselves even though it cannot be required. I have seen some severe conflict of interest requirements in bylaws, but never one that extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted June 15, 2021 at 04:00 AM Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 04:00 AM Personally, I feel too strongly on this matter to weigh in. (perhaps I'll circle back around when I care less) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Puzzling Posted June 15, 2021 at 08:01 AM Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 08:01 AM I do notice that if people see two or more solutions to a question they most often support the solution that gives them the most (personal) benefit :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted June 16, 2021 at 02:27 AM Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 at 02:27 AM 18 hours ago, Guest Puzzling said: I do notice that if people see two or more solutions to a question they most often support the solution that gives them the most (personal) benefit I'm shocked; shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:13 AM Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 at 06:13 AM On 6/15/2021 at 12:00 AM, Tim Wynn said: Personally, I feel too strongly on this matter to weigh in. (perhaps I'll circle back around when I care less) 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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