paulmcclintock Posted March 24, 2022 at 08:00 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 at 08:00 PM Member A wants his motion to be voted on without debate or amendment. He moves "to suspend the rules and buy a new gavel." It is seconded and voted on without debate or amendment, and lacking the required two-thirds vote, is lost, though it seemed to have a majority in support. Is it in order at this point for member A to move "that we buy a new gavel" (without suspend the rules)? Does the lack of suspend the rules make it either a different question, or different circumstances, allowing it to be "renewed" at the same meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted March 24, 2022 at 08:09 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 at 08:09 PM I always thought what is said in 25:20 answered this: "If such a motion does not receive the required two-thirds vote, the main motion can be taken up only in the normal way." However I don't think that is considered renewing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 24, 2022 at 08:21 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 at 08:21 PM On 3/24/2022 at 4:00 PM, paulmcclintock said: Member A wants his motion to be voted on without debate or amendment. He moves "to suspend the rules and buy a new gavel." It is seconded and voted on without debate or amendment, and lacking the required two-thirds vote, is lost, though it seemed to have a majority in support. Is it in order at this point for member A to move "that we buy a new gavel" (without suspend the rules)? Does the lack of suspend the rules make it either a different question, or different circumstances, allowing it to be "renewed" at the same meeting? On 3/24/2022 at 4:09 PM, George Mervosh said: I always thought what is said in 25:20 answered this: "If such a motion does not receive the required two-thirds vote, the main motion can be taken up only in the normal way." However I don't think that is considered renewing anything. Mr. Mervosh has this right. The only thing that the assembly has decided is that it will not suspend the rules for the purpose of adoption of the motion to buy a new gavel without debate or amendment. (The form the member used: "to suspend the rules and buy a new gavel", however. leaves something to be desired.) 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Savory Posted March 25, 2022 at 01:32 AM Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 at 01:32 AM This reminds me of the question I asked a little while ago in the main room viz. can a person make multiple motions to accomplish the same thing as long as they are different motions and I believe that answer there was yes. So you can move to Suspend the Rules to do X and if that fails make a main motion to do X and it is not renewing the same motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted March 25, 2022 at 04:14 AM Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 at 04:14 AM (edited) Quote On 3/24/2022 at 4:21 PM, Dan Honemann said: (The form the member used: "to suspend the rules and buy a new gavel", however. leaves something to be desired.) 🙂 How about: "to suspend the rules and agree to the motion: 'That a new gavel be purchased'"? Hmm, sorry for the strange nested quote format. My actual response is the "How about:" above. Edited March 25, 2022 at 04:16 AM by Gary Novosielski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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