Guest loose Posted January 10, 2011 at 12:01 PM Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 at 12:01 PM If you give previous notice, does that create an order of the day for the next meeting (assuming next meeting falls within a quarter and there's no adjourned meeting)? And if so, is that item of business a special order, general order or new business? If new business, presumably it would have precedence over any spur of the moment motions made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted January 10, 2011 at 12:21 PM Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 at 12:21 PM If you give previous notice, does that create an order of the day for the next meeting (assuming next meeting falls within a quarter and there's no adjourned meeting)? And if so, is that item of business a special order, general order or new business? If new business, presumably it would have precedence over any spur of the moment motions made?The Book says, "No."Giving notice only gives any member the right to bring up the issues with a lower vote threshold requirement. (Or, as a necessary part of the process, as it would be to create or amend a special rule of order.)It does not add it to an agenda.It is not yet a motion, necessarily. -- Notice only requires purport and scope.Notice does not require the full text of the motion.Sure, giving the full text of the intended motion is more than good enough for the purpose of giving notice.But you don't have to have the full text ready when you give notice.So the chair may not know the actual motion to be moved, if the notice was given with the minimum data (viz. purport and scope). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loose Posted January 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM The Book says, "No."Giving notice only gives any member the right to bring up the issues with a lower vote threshold requirement. (Or, as a necessary part of the process, as it would be to create or amend a special rule of order.)It does not add it to an agenda.It is not yet a motion, necessarily. -- Notice only requires purport and scope.Notice does not require the full text of the motion.Sure, giving the full text of the intended motion is more than good enough for the purpose of giving notice.But you don't have to have the full text ready when you give notice.So the chair may not know the actual motion to be moved, if the notice was given with the minimum data (viz. purport and scope). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM Bless you for the clarification. Helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted January 10, 2011 at 05:53 PM Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 at 05:53 PM If you give previous notice, does that create an order of the day for the next meeting (assuming next meeting falls within a quarter and there's no adjourned meeting)? And if so, is that item of business a special order, general order or new business? If new business, presumably it would have precedence over any spur of the moment motions made?" When notice has been given of a bylaw amendment, it becomes a general order for the meeting at which it is to be considered. " RONR, p. 578 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 10, 2011 at 07:17 PM Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 at 07:17 PM If you give previous notice, does that create an order of the day for the next meeting (assuming next meeting falls within a quarter and there's no adjourned meeting)? And if so, is that item of business a special order, general order or new business? If new business, presumably it would have precedence over any spur of the moment motions made?Is it a bylaws amendment, or an ordinary main motion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted January 11, 2011 at 12:33 AM Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 at 12:33 AM " When notice has been given of a bylaw amendment, it becomes a general order for the meeting at which it is to be considered. " RONR, p. 578And that rule is likely in its final weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loose Posted January 11, 2011 at 01:02 AM Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 at 01:02 AM Is it a bylaws amendment, or an ordinary main motion?Does it matter? How about both cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loose Posted January 11, 2011 at 01:04 AM Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 at 01:04 AM And that rule is likely in its final weeks.Sorry. What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted January 11, 2011 at 01:41 AM Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 at 01:41 AM Sorry. What do you mean?It likely that this rule will not appear in the 11th edition, which may be available sometime later this year.The fact is, the giving of previous notice does not make an order of the day in any of the three ways that orders of the day are made, as described in RONR (10th ed.), p. 354, ll. 8-23. That's the salient point, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted January 11, 2011 at 02:08 AM Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 at 02:08 AM " When notice has been given of a bylaw amendment, it becomes a general order for the meeting at which it is to be considered. " RONR, p. 578And that rule is likely in its final weeks.email me when it's not there any more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted January 11, 2011 at 02:11 AM Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 at 02:11 AM email me when it's not there any more....You'll likely know it before I do, since I have to wait for the wagon train to bring my new book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted January 11, 2011 at 04:52 AM Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 at 04:52 AM Does it matter? How about both cases?Yes. Previous notice of a Bylaws amendment makes it a general order for the next meeting. For anything else, it comes up under New Business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loose Posted January 11, 2011 at 08:17 AM Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 at 08:17 AM It likely that this rule will not appear in the 11th edition, which may be available sometime later this year.The fact is, the giving of previous notice does not make an order of the day in any of the three ways that orders of the day are made, as described in RONR (10th ed.), p. 354, ll. 8-23. That's the salient point, I think.Good point. I'll be happy to be the hippest person on my board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted January 11, 2011 at 10:24 AM Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 at 10:24 AM Rumors of the impending death of the rule on page 578, lines 8-10, are grossly exaggerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 11, 2011 at 02:45 PM Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 at 02:45 PM Good point. I'll be happy to be the hippest person on my board. Umm, second hippest, apparently: Rumors of the impending death of the rule on page 578, lines 8-10, are grossly exaggerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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