Cmcoffey1515 Posted July 11, 2014 at 08:56 PM Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 at 08:56 PM Hi All, Our Board is comprised of (3) Executive Board Members and (3) DirectorsWhat happens when there is a tie vote? Also those on the Executive Board hold multiple positions:One member is the President, Treasurer and Director, can that person cast (3) votes? Thanks very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted July 11, 2014 at 09:08 PM Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 at 09:08 PM Our Board is comprised of (3) Executive Board Members and (3) DirectorsWhat happens when there is a tie vote?The motion fails (RONR pp. 53-54). Also those on the Executive Board hold multiple positions:One member is the President, Treasurer and Director, can that person cast (3) votes?Each member gets one vote no matter how many hats he may wear unless the bylaws say otherwise (RONR p. 407). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted July 11, 2014 at 09:22 PM Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 at 09:22 PM What happens when there is a tie vote? See also this recent topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:38 PM Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:38 PM Hi All, Our Board is comprised of (3) Executive Board Members and (3) DirectorsWhat happens when there is a tie vote? In addition to what has been said, if the tie vote is in the election of an officer (two candidates tied) your only option is to try again, and keep trying, until the office position is filled. In a serious deadlock, it may be necessary to nominate a third (or other candidates) that at least a majority of the voters can agree to as a suitable "second choice". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmcoffey1515 Posted July 12, 2014 at 01:42 AM Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 at 01:42 AM Thanks for everyone's responses.I guess it is key then to have an uneven number of Board Members. So if there is a tie,then when it is noted the motion fails, then essentially does that mean there is no resolution to the matter being voted on. What are possible next steps so a decision can be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted July 12, 2014 at 02:37 AM Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 at 02:37 AM I guess it is key then to have an uneven number of Board Members.Not really. Even if you had an odd number of Board members one being absent or abstaining would cause you to have an even number of members who voted so a tie could still happen. So if there is a tie,then when it is noted the motion fails, then essentially does that mean there is no resolution to the matter being voted on.No. A 3-3 ties defeats the motion the same as if 4, 5,or all 6 members voted against the motion. What are possible next steps so a decision can be made.A decision was made. The motion was defeated. If in the future you all want to consider the motion again it can be renewed. See RONR pp. 336-342. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmcoffey1515 Posted July 12, 2014 at 01:16 PM Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 at 01:16 PM Thanks for everyone's responses.I guess it is key then to have an uneven number of Board Members. So if there is a tie,then when it is noted the motion fails, then essentially does that mean there is no resolution to the matter being voted on. What are possible next steps so a decision can be made.Does motion=issue to be decided on? We currently have an issue which is extremely time sensitive and we need to make a decision one way or another on this issue. Any suggestions based on there being a tie vote..we cannot just postpone a decision on the issue for a later date. Thanks for your patience with my questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted July 12, 2014 at 01:33 PM Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 at 01:33 PM Does motion=issue to be decided on? We currently have an issue which is extremely time sensitive and we need to make a decision one way or another on this issue. Any suggestions based on there being a tie vote..we cannot just postpone a decision on the issue for a later date. Thanks for your patience with my questions. Not a problem trying to make things clear: You HAVE ALREADY made a decision - the motion ("issue" - same thing) was defeated since there was not a majority vote in favor. It's over. Kaput. Ended. Finito. Dead in the Water. (Any more negative cliches needed?) Next meeting (or at a sooner special meting called for the purpose, provided your bylaws allow for special meetings) anybody can bring up the same motion again (or in a slightly modified form, or whatever) in hopes that there will be a majority in favor. But for now (no matter how "timely" a problem it is) the decision has been reached: do nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted July 12, 2014 at 01:37 PM Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 at 01:37 PM And, just to provide a specific example, let's say that the motion was to paint the clubhouse. The vote results in a tie. The motion is defeated. You could say that the board didn't decide to paint the clubhouse or you could say that the board decided not to paint the clubhouse. The result is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted July 12, 2014 at 01:41 PM Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 at 01:41 PM Or perhaps more accurately than "Do nothing", the decision was simply to NOT DO whatever the motion proposed to accomplish relative to the time critical issue. Some other approach to your timely problem might garner a majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted July 13, 2014 at 03:18 AM Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 at 03:18 AM Thanks for everyone's responses.I guess it is key then to have an uneven number of Board Members. So if there is a tie,then when it is noted the motion fails, then essentially does that mean there is no resolution to the matter being voted on. What are possible next steps so a decision can be made.No, that's not the key, since anyone can be absent or abstain on any vote. The key is realizing that a tie vote, since it is less than a majority, defeats the motion just as soundly as if everyone voted No. It does not mean there is no resolution. It means that the motion is defeated. That is a definite resolution of the question, with an answer of No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barb Posted August 1, 2017 at 03:24 PM Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 at 03:24 PM We have a tie vote. Three voted to grandfather fees, and three voted to have people pay new fees. With the tie, the vote failed, but it appears the three who voted to have the people pay the new fees have won because we need to set up the new fees. Am I correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted August 1, 2017 at 05:15 PM Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 at 05:15 PM Try again, but this time DON'T offer an "either/or" choice. Instead do "Grandfather? Yes/no" or "New Fees? Yes/no" and see what comes of it. If both are defeated your current fee schedule -- presumably in the bylaws or somewhere -- remains in place. (If both are adopted, you have a puzzle to work out!) Also (administrative) next time start a new topic rather than piggybacking on an old one (even though the topic is much the same). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted August 4, 2017 at 03:14 AM Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 at 03:14 AM On 8/1/2017 at 11:24 AM, Guest Barb said: We have a tie vote. Three voted to grandfather fees, and three voted to have people pay new fees. With the tie, the vote failed, but it appears the three who voted to have the people pay the new fees have won because we need to set up the new fees. Am I correct? It doesn't sound like the motion was validly phrased, based on your question. Motions should be drafted so as to propose a yes/no question. What was the exact language of the motion in this case? When the vote on the motion is a tie, the result is the same as if everyone voted No. But it sounds like No wasn't one of the choices; hence, the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintCad Posted August 4, 2017 at 04:17 AM Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 at 04:17 AM Yep this sounds like more of a ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kimmie Posted August 26, 2021 at 02:53 PM Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 at 02:53 PM What happens in a tie vote for a shop steward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted August 26, 2021 at 04:52 PM Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 at 04:52 PM On 8/26/2021 at 9:53 AM, Guest Kimmie said: What happens in a tie vote for a shop steward? Guest Kimmie, Please ask your question by starting a new topic. The forum works better that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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