Guest Beth Posted November 14, 2012 at 06:35 PM Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 at 06:35 PM Six positions were voted on at our annual meeting. There was a tie on the sixth position. It went to vote again by ballot. Supposedly 3 people voted in breaking the tie that did not vote on the original ballot. We realize that the new board is null and void and need to hold another meeting. What I am confused on is when we call another meeting; do we only call the associate members who were originally at the annual meeting or does the meeting notice go out to all of the associate members? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted November 14, 2012 at 06:47 PM Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 at 06:47 PM Six positions were voted on at our annual meeting. There was a tie on the sixth position. It went to vote again by ballot. Supposedly 3 people voted in breaking the tie that did not vote on the original ballot. We realize that the new board is null and void and need to hold another meeting.You lost me with that. What I am confused on is when we call another meeting; do we only call the associate members who were originally at the annual meeting or does the meeting notice go out to all of the associate members? Any advice is greatly appreciated.The call of the meeting, along with any required notice, goes to all members of the body that is meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted November 14, 2012 at 06:48 PM Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 at 06:48 PM Six positions were voted on at our annual meeting. There was a tie on the sixth position. It went to vote again by ballot. Supposedly 3 people voted in breaking the tie that did not vote on the original ballot. Nothing wrong with that; all members had a right to vote, whether or not they voted in the earlier round of voting that led to the tie. Did a candidate get a majority of the votes on that second round of voting?We realize that the new board is null and void and need to hold another meeting. Well, certainly there seems to be no question that the first five people were elected, or is that in doubt for some reason? As for the sixth position, see my question above.What I am confused on is when we call another meeting; do we only call the associate members who were originally at the annual meeting or does the meeting notice go out to all of the associate members? Any advice is greatly appreciated.If the election for the sixth position is indeed incomplete (and that fact doesn't seem at all clear from what you have said so far), then all members have a right to vote. I'm not sure what you mean by 'associate' members -- does the organization have different categories of membership, with different voting rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted November 14, 2012 at 06:50 PM Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 at 06:50 PM Six positions were voted on at our annual meeting. There was a tie on the sixth position. It went to vote again by ballot. Supposedly 3 people voted in breaking the tie that did not vote on the original ballot. We realize that the new board is null and void and need to hold another meeting. It is highly doubtful that is the case. What makes you think that only those who voted on the first ballot can vote in the second ballot? More importantly why would you think that members would be disenfranchised on the second ballot because they hadn't voted on the first?What I am confused on is when we call another meeting; do we only call the associate members who were originally at the annual meeting or does the meeting notice go out to all of the associate members?.All members have a right to attend the meeting and must be sent notice of it. Otherwise all the actions taken at that meeting truly will be null and void (RONR p. 251[e]). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Beth Posted November 14, 2012 at 07:00 PM Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 at 07:00 PM The election of the 6 board members happened at the beginning of the meeting. The allegation by a member was that 3 other members came in after the original ballot was cast, but voted in the tie breaking of the 6th board position. So this is ok?There is not different levels of voting, you just pay to be a part of the association.Yes, the candidate did get the majority of the votes the second time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lages Posted November 14, 2012 at 07:03 PM Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 at 07:03 PM It's perfectly OK as far as RONR is concerned. It sounds like your election is now complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Beth Posted November 14, 2012 at 07:13 PM Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 at 07:13 PM Thank you for your help.Beth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted November 14, 2012 at 07:28 PM Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 at 07:28 PM The election of the 6 board members happened at the beginning of the meeting. The allegation by a member was that 3 other members came in after the original ballot was cast, but voted in the tie breaking of the 6th board position. So this is ok?Yes, perfectly fine per RONR (as Mr. Lages already said). Even if some people at the meeting got on their cell phones, and called up a few absent members to tell them, "Hey, the vote was tied on the first round of voting -- if you want Bob to get in, hurry over to the meeting hall now!" there is no rule against that. Whenever the assembly votes on something, all of the members who are present have a right to vote -- it is that simple.There is not different levels of voting, you just pay to be a part of the association.Yes, the candidate did get the majority of the votes the second time around.Sounds like you are all set then -- although the announcement that the sixth candidate was elected should be made (at the next meeting) to complete the process. It sounds as thought most/all members of the organization are still under the impression that the election is up in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted November 15, 2012 at 11:02 AM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 11:02 AM It is highly doubtful that is the case. What makes you think that only those who voted on the first ballot can vote in the second ballot? More importantly why would you think that members would be disenfranchised on the second ballot because they hadn't voted on the first? ...All members have a right to attend the meeting and must be sent notice of it. Otherwise all the actions taken at that meeting truly will be null and void (RONR p. 251[e]).Because nobody can vote twice. That's why they should not have been allowed in the meeting room, to make sure they didn't vote twice. or for a republican. Some would cite p. 251 to say those who voted on the first balloting should not be allowed in the same time zone when the second balloting occurs, to make sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted November 15, 2012 at 11:02 AM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 11:02 AM Because nobody can vote twice. That's why they should not have been allowed in the meeting room, to make sure they didn't vote twice. or for a republican. Some would cite p. 251 to say those who voted on the first balloting should not be allowed in the same time zone when the second balloting occurs, to make sure.What are you, an idiot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted November 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM What are you, an idiot?Such a remark is indecorous. It is unbecoming a parliamentarian, and hence any poster on the world's premiere Internet parliamentary forum. Per RONR - In Brief, middle of p. 31, you should not say this. Instead, say "Mr. President, I believe he is an idiot," per RONR - In Brief, p. 31, bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted November 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM Because nobody can vote twice. That's why they should not have been allowed in the meeting room, to make sure they didn't vote twice. or for a republican. Some would cite p. 251 to say those who voted on the first balloting should not be allowed in the same time zone when the second balloting occurs, to make sure.What are you, an idiot?Such a remark is indecorous. It is unbecoming a parliamentarian, and hence any poster on the world's premiere Internet parliamentary forum. Per RONR - In Brief, middle of p. 31, you should not say this. Instead, say "Mr. President, I believe he is an idiot," per RONR - In Brief, p. 31, bottom....And this ladies and gentlemen is what happens when someone becomes sleep deprived. The guy is more punchy than Mike Tyson!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted November 15, 2012 at 01:53 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 01:53 PM What are you, an idiot?Oh Gary, how many times did we tell you not to leave your browser open after Fluffy gets his catnip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted November 15, 2012 at 01:59 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 01:59 PM Oh Gary, how many times did we tell you not to leave your browser open after Fluffy gets his catnip.I can't help but think Fluffy's not the only one that's getting into the catnip. Or a nip of some other sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted November 19, 2012 at 04:34 AM Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 at 04:34 AM The election of the 6 board members happened at the beginning of the meeting. The allegation by a member was that 3 other members came in after the original ballot was cast, but voted in the tie breaking of the 6th board position. So this is ok?There is not different levels of voting, you just pay to be a part of the association.Yes, the candidate did get the majority of the votes the second time around.Then the candidate was elected.The member who alleged that three members arrived after the original ballot may have been correct, but the question is: So what? Members have the right to vote whenever they arrive. Ask him where he got this crazy idea. It certainly wasn't from RONR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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