Watson Posted November 30, 2012 at 04:10 PM Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 at 04:10 PM In the National Parliamentarian (First Quarter, 2012), Paul McClintock addressed the differences between the 10th and 11th editions of RONR in his article Robert's Rules for Committees and Small Boards, noting, however, that, "Neither edition requires a motion to be seconded." More recently, in a Forum post, Dan Honemann stated that, "A committee, on the other hand, is required to use the modified rules unless otherwise directed."My city's municipal code, which specifies RONR as its parliamentary authority, contains the sentence, "No motion shall be discussed or acted upon until it has been seconded."Question: Does the special rule of order in the municipal code supersede RONR in regard to the modifies rules for committees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted November 30, 2012 at 04:27 PM Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 at 04:27 PM When a law conflicts with RONR the law takes precedence (RONR p. 16 ll. 21-27). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted November 30, 2012 at 04:29 PM Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 at 04:29 PM In the National Parliamentarian (First Quarter, 2012), Paul McClintock addressed the differences between the 10th and 11th editions of RONR in his article Robert's Rules for Committees and Small Boards, noting, however, that, "Neither edition requires a motion to be seconded." More recently, in a Forum post, Dan Honemann stated that, "A committee, on the other hand, is required to use the modified rules unless otherwise directed."My city's municipal code, which specifies RONR as its parliamentary authority, contains the sentence, "No motion shall be discussed or acted upon until it has been seconded."Question: Does the special rule of order in the municipal code supersede RONR in regard to the modifies rules for committees?Yes, if it is applicable to committees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted November 30, 2012 at 05:20 PM Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 at 05:20 PM Question: Does the special rule of order in the municipal code supersede RONR in regard to the modifies rules for committees?Sure does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted November 30, 2012 at 06:58 PM Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 at 06:58 PM Yes, but Dan's distinction is important. The municipal code must provide that the rule applies to committees, as distinct from a full body, before it would supersede RONR's rules for committees.I serve on a school board which has a similar rule, and although it is only a body of nine, all motions must be seconded, and the names of both mover and seconder must be entered in the minutes. The president neither makes nor seconds motions. But other rules for small boards are followed: viz. the president speaks in debate and votes.However, since the special rule does not state that it applies to committees of the board, seconds are not required in committee, not even in Committee of the Whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Britton Posted November 30, 2012 at 08:10 PM Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 at 08:10 PM Question: In your municipal code, do committees have the latitude to make their own rules, which would be in conflict with RONR position that committees are required to follow the assembly's rules and the instructions given to them by their assembly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watson Posted December 3, 2012 at 03:26 PM Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 03:26 PM Ed, Gary & Steve: Thank you very much for your replys.No; committees do not make their own rules of procedure.RTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted December 3, 2012 at 03:48 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 03:48 PM Ed, Gary & Steve: Thank you very much for your replys.Poor Dan & Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted December 3, 2012 at 03:55 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 03:55 PM Poor Dan & Chris.My thoughts exactly (though not in that order).Chopped liver anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted December 3, 2012 at 04:08 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 04:08 PM Chopped liver anyone?No thanks, had a late breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted December 3, 2012 at 08:25 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 08:25 PM Poor Dan & Chris. I'm used to being overlooked. And yes I will take a hunk of cheddar with that whine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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