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  1. No Quorum

    Um, not quite. Note that Mr Martin said, signally: -- that is, not just the first meeting at which you have a quorum. To amend the bylaws (such as, say, to to make the quorum more achievable), you have to follow punctiliously * the procedure specified in the bylaws themselves. I point this out because typically (and sensibly), amending the bylaws requires previous notice of the intention, so the meeting notice has to mention it. ___________ * I acquired that word maybe in junior high school, and remembered to use it maybe four times since. More often I'll say "scrupulously," "diligently," or maybe "assiduously," or even "carefully" like a college graduate.
  2. No Quorum

    Hmmm. Richard, and Guest Who's, and anyone else: it occurs to me that if two board members are also parents, wouldn't they qualify for both roles (at least, arguably, establishing that a question has arisen of interpreting the bylaws?)
  3. So it's all over before I even get a word in. Feh.
  4. Amending Minutes/Reciding Motion

    The reference to "striking out" was probably about the idea of amending the minutes. Yes, you correctly read Section 35. But look at p. 308, #b (OK OK, "b" is not a number) : so, it is impossible to undo the fact that the motion, however erroneously, was made and adopted; and it is unconscionable (see p. 299, last four words) to propose that the minutes record anything other than what happened. (But actually I don't think that that is actually what you have been proposing, I think we are all in agreement and there is only a misunderstanding and we are all on the same page (as the contemporary instant-cliche' goes).)
  5. No Quorum

    It looks to me (as, I presume, making a PRES out of U and ME, though NEITHER OF US were elected PRES) as if, in the event that you and the coordinator are board members, then all you need is to get enough more parents -- that's four more? -- to care enough about their children to show up for the meetings. ( ... And what about the current vice-chair?)
  6. "At all"??!? Yes, of course. It happened. Record it exactly how it was done -- however wrongly. Then, in the minutes of the meeting at which you correct the action (i. e., and also e.g, for others, as soon as possible), you jump up and down about it. Also nothing prohibits your organization from making a marginal note at the minutes of the meeting when you didn't vote by secret ballot. I'm leaving something out so that my betters (the people who like the horses I recommend) have something to add besides rephrasing what I said (grump, gripe). Your pal, Gary c Tesser
  7. Post election special meeting

    RB, if you're looking at a specific, pray tell what is it? (Whatever could Gary Novosielski have left unsaid?)
  8. Nominating Committee error

    "Puzzled", if you haven't already, you (or one of your allies, to whom Mr Brown alludes, that irrepressible, indefatigable college graduate) should posthaste determine whatever your bylaws (or other rules) prescribe about nominations and elections. RONR gives a few options, but specifically says that the nominating committee's report, regardless of whether it has been previously distributed (which RONR says is a good idea) or not, "should always be presented at a formal meeting", and that "after teh nominating committee has presented its report ... the chair MUST [my emphasis -- GcT*] call for further nominations from the floor" (RONR, 11th Ed, p. 434 & -5). Mr or Ms Puzzled, it's right there, on those pages in black and white. And maybe, diplomatically, instead of raising a point of order when the rules are violated (which, in a sense, essentially accuses the presiding officer of doing it wrong) you pull him aside earlier -- some time before the meeting -- and tell him the easy and fair (and, oh, official) way to get the job done. __________ *Suddenly I don't see the icons for italics and boldface, so my apologies for the all-caps
  9. Combination Show of Hands/Nay Voting System?

    Boy, I'm glad he (or she: isn't "ciat" the Celtic word for "gladiola"? I left my Celtic-English / English-Celtic dictionary in the Consultation Room of my winter home in Tierra del Fuego) or she was so accommodating. (They say one way to defer mental decay accompanying advancing age is mental exercise, and one recommended specific is learning a new language: I'm trying out Sarcasm.)
  10. (Might we go into the grammar ("if" / "that"?))
  11. Yeah, I myself have been wondering about that for some 20 years or so. (I was younger then, or at least looked it.)
  12. Able to limit detail of a motion in the minutes?

    I was on tenterhooks.
  13. Thanks. How did you get there? Is that one of the those nugatory benefits of being a college graduate? (I wound up with : https://archive.org/stream/Robertsrulesofor00robe_201303/robertsrulesofor00robe#page/n121/mode/2up and: https://archive.org/stream/Robertsrulesofor00robe_201303/robertsrulesofor00robe#page/n123/mode/2up)
  14. Signs for meetings?

    Read Heinlein's "Columbus Was a Dope".
  15. Thank you Mr Transpower: #1 and 3 were spectacularly informative. (I have been wondering about this for millennia (some of the previous and some ofthe current). ) I'm a little skeptical about your #2.
  16. I couldn't. I have now spent close to an hour on it. What did you do? Would you kindly give a URL? Ah, for the good old days, when someone cheerily remarked that it was good news that someone had taught Mr Honemann how to turn his computer on, and he her replied that we might be gladder that nobody taught him how to turn it off. And now he breezily advises us to go ahead and ferret itout. Like those teachers who breezily fob off a question by saying he's leaving that as an exercise for the student. I went to Google, and tried the first dozen or so links. They don't have the pages numbered. I then tried the Wikipedia article on ROR, checking the External Links, but no dice. I expect I (and anyone else caught by this bait) I need to see a PDF file, or some other photograph-like format. (Or I might manage to could go home to Sheepshead Bay, slipping briefly from my bonds of servitude here in benighted Flatbush, and look it up in my copy, which that treasure Deb Wunder casually picked up in a garage sale, thinking Idly that I might like it, maybe ten years ago. But for pity's sake: if Dan Honemann can find it "without too much effort", I ought to be able to, with the boatloads of effort that I have already put in, and it looks like there's more coming. I'm not indefatigable, but I am obsessive. (On the other hand, he didn't actually say that he himself found it online without too much effort. Only that we ("You") others could. Since my best expedient, if I were home, would be to get up and toddle (these days, waddle or stagger or wamble) into the other room and look it up in the hard copy, most likely what Mr Honemann would have done, and maybe did, was similarly rise from his creaky old chair on his creaky old joints and toddle, waddle, stagger, or wamble across the room and pick up the real book..)
  17. As a variant of your #1 above, could not the member begin by moving to suspend the rules and ... [main motion] ? (And if not, why not, if you please.)
  18. Meeting location in minutes of teleconference meeting

    And they, and we, might prudently defer to Ms Rempel.
  19. Approval of minutes with no changes

    Thanks. It took some work.
  20. Can a board be elected w/o a vote?

    CatsterB, do the bylaws require a ballot vote? (Might not matter much, but maybe)
  21. Approval of minutes with no changes

    Jerry Havens, these guys have got it cockeyed (or haywire, I forget which is which). If you only vote if there are corrections to vote on, and there are no corrections to vote on, then you can't vote (Q. E. D., eh Doc?), and if you can't vote, obviously there is no way you can accept the minutes. (These college graduates talk themselves into knots.) The minutes have to be kept into abeyance until someone can find an error to correct. It's never hard, nothing's perfect. For example, my biker club wanted to buy dancing shoes for our school booster-club uniforms, and we were 45 minutes hunting the next meeting for a correction, when triumphantly someone proclaimed that the minutes claimed that the motion to buy teal shoes had been amended to "chartreuse," but the proposed amendment had failed, which was a relief because we could then vote to correct the minutes and because now nobody had to find out what either word means. See? Not so complicated after all.
  22. Non-voting members

    O Richard, our first quarrel. O Dan, our second first quarrel. "-Apse, upse; apse unguent, apse unguentine.-" (I ahve now cleared this stuff up.)
  23. A vote without a quorum, when is it in effect?

    John-Jack, please consider that I suggest, strongly, that you pick up, at once (really. No food until then. -- unless say you're a diabetic -- but no kidding, get it at once) your copy or RONR - In Brief. And then read it at once. If you get your copy at an independent bookstore, which I recommend, since capitalism has its drawbacks but the current available alternative is Bezos-esque neo-quasi-syndicalism; or, if you must, at any chain store; read it then and there, stepping aside at the cash register (is that what they're called anymore?) so that the other customers in line to buy their own copies of RONR-In Brief are not delayed; -- or, should you desire to make sure that Jeff Bezos stays the richest person on Earth since Gates that clot didn't have enough, go ahead and buy it on Amazon; but then, similarly, you stand there at your doorstep and read it then and there. You can let the delivery person go -- he or she doesn't have to stand there for the hour or so it'll take you to read it (unless you're a college graduate, in which case -sigh- you'll be standing there on the stoop until your feet ossify) -- although come to think if it, you might have had the foresight, and the courtesy, to buy more than one copy, so the two of you can stand there companionably reading until you two are done and you can offer him a collegial good-bye (unless he's a college graduate, in which case he'll still be there maybe on page 12 when you leave for the day, stepping delicately around him). [Nuts, last posts are last Saturday and Novosielski's catch-ups. Musta wasted my effort. Who's gonna read all that arduously-crafted tinkle now. Coulda watched Walking Dead reruns at a bar with the 2FP]
  24. Hey. Nice. (I appreciate when someone speaks up for civil, civilized civilization. We don't see it often.)