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  1. Rob Elsman
    It may also be that the poster had in mind some disposition of the motion after the "discussion" had been completed. Since we have so little information about the actual intent, it is impossible to know what, if any, motion was the proper one to make. Alternatively, the intent may have been to shut off further "discussion". Without more information from the poster, it is hard to provide a definitive answer.
  2. Rob Elsman
    This example once again demonstrates why rules should not be written in the passive voice. As so often happens, this rule has no agent, so it seems impossible to know for sure what body it is that holds special meetings.
  3. Rob Elsman
    Yes, indeed. And to be clear, Oksana can graciously receive being addressed as Madam Chairman, in an organization that insists on it, without any sense of disrespect or slight.
  4. Rob Elsman
    I'm speaking of the mechanics of modern language, not my personal opinion of them. For some reason, this seems to be a "hot button" issue, when it really does not have to be. The original poster wonders about the propriety of "chairman" to reference a female presiding officer; but it would likely never occur to her to call her female physician Doctrix Alice.
  5. Rob Elsman
    The English language has adapted rather well to modern changes in gender roles. We now have female policemen, firemen, doctors (not "doctrices"), administrators (not "administrices"), and so forth. The universe of parliamentary procedure seems to be adapting, too.
  6. Rob Elsman
    I think most of your question requires the assistance of an attorney who is familiar with the governing statutes, which may, in effect, preclude the use of the secret ballot method of voting. You need help on this that is not available on this forum.
  7. Rob Elsman
    In addition to agreeing with Mr. Kapur's opinion on points 1 and 2, I also agree with point 3. Although there may, indeed, be some transitional confusion over the change in terms, in the long run, consistency in terminology will actually make things easier.
  8. Rob Elsman
    The demand for a separate vote on a rule would not be a division of a motion. What I think we have, here, is actually a series of main motions, one for each rule. It is analogous to a "platform" at a convention, where each "plank" is actually a separate, independent proposition.
  9. Rob Elsman
    Mr. Martin, I think this is an instance where even a single member can demand a separate vote on any particular rule. Each rule is, in effect, an independent proposition.
  10. Rob Elsman
    Nothing in RONR imposes a duty upon any officer to hand over the organization's financial records for removal from the officer's custody.
  11. Rob Elsman
    They're your bylaws. You tell us. Seriously, we can't be in the business of opining on the meaning of organizations' bylaws on this forum. Sorry.
  12. Rob Elsman
    Does anyone have a spare TOLISless parish for Father Cadan?
  13. Rob Elsman
    RONR calls the requirement for rule by consensus a form of "tyranny". Your TOLIS (as in "QVI TOLIS PECCATA MUNDI"?) needs to take this to heart. Otherwise, Father, you're in for some real frustration that will make you go bald.
  14. Rob Elsman
    Consensus is not a method of voting in RONR. Unanimous consent merely means that no member objects, not that every member agrees.
  15. Rob Elsman
    I think I can help you. Transacting business by "consensus" is nothing more than the oppression by one. The rule of a majority is a defining principle for a "deliberative assembly" in RONR.
  16. Rob Elsman
    Actually, Mr. Kapur's reply can be said about any topic brought up on this forum. The authors have covered this matter in the Introduction to the forum, so participants can keep their fingers from getting shorter by not repeating what is already said there.
  17. Rob Elsman
    RONR can be safely read at high altitudes if stringent safety precautions are observed; otherwise, the excitement can be overwhelming.
  18. Rob Elsman
    The announcement of the chair is in error. Assuming previous notice of the motion was properly given, the motion is adopted, since a Point of Order was not raised in a timely way. The announcement in error did not cause a "continuing breach".
  19. Rob Elsman
    Voting by mail or email would be a prohibited form of absentee voting under 3e and RONR.
  20. Rob Elsman
    Making a motion to reopen suggestions is certainly a possibility, but it is not required. When no suggestion receives a majority vote, another round of voting should be undertaken. The procedure is very similar to an election of officers.
  21. Rob Elsman
    There is no rule in RONR that requires minutes to be made available to the public.
  22. Rob Elsman
    Please don't do that. Although the thread may get stale, the topic itself probably doesn't. I would like to learn, even from old entries. đŸ™‚
  23. Rob Elsman
    Unless a committee is of such large size that it functions more like an assembly, seconds for motions in committees are not required.
  24. Rob Elsman
    Assuming the current bylaws require previous notice of a motion to amend them, the rule at RONR (11th ed.), pp. 121-124, applies, and the full text of the motion or resolution must be sent along with the call of the special meeting, in the same way that previous notice of a motion or resolution would be read in full if it were given in a meeting. It will be sufficient that the call, itself, of the special meeting give an accurate, but brief, description of the matter.
  25. Rob Elsman
    When I try to go to the Robert's Rules Official Website, www.robertsrules.com, I get an error message, HTTP Error 403.14, instead of the website. Boss Lady, has the website disappeared for some reason?
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