Guest Ann Posted April 28, 2016 at 11:18 AM Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 at 11:18 AM Please explain the difference between Table and Postpone (both Definitely and Indefinitely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted April 28, 2016 at 11:39 AM Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 at 11:39 AM See pages 209ff. & 671ff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted April 28, 2016 at 01:20 PM Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 at 01:20 PM And see FAQ 12 and FAQ 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted April 28, 2016 at 01:23 PM Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 at 01:23 PM 1 hour ago, jstackpo said: See pages 209ff. & 671ff. The index is quite large, I'm not sure it helps to supply it as if referring to a section in the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted April 28, 2016 at 05:08 PM Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 at 05:08 PM (edited) 5 hours ago, Guest Ann said: Please explain the difference between Table and Postpone (both Definitely and Indefinitely). I second John Stackpole's (jstackpo) suggestion in another thread that you get a copy of RONR in Brief and/or RONR. RONR in Brief is about $7.50 both in bookstores and online. RONR is about $18 in bookstores and only $11 or 12 from Amazon. Most large bookstores generally have both. Edited to add: I see that RONR in Brief is currently $6 on Amazon and RONR is $13.45. The prices fluctuate. You can still get both (if you want both) for $20. Find another book costing $5 and you get free shipping even without Amazon Prime. Edited April 28, 2016 at 05:14 PM by Richard Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Posted April 28, 2016 at 10:02 PM Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 at 10:02 PM I already have RONRIB. I should get the cumbersome version too though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted April 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 at 10:18 PM (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ann said: I already have RONRIB. I should get the cumbersome version too though. Yes, with the questions you have, you need something more in depth than RONRIB. RONRIB is pretty basic and does not go into much depth. It is designed for people who know very little about RONR and want a basic guide for how to make motions, etc, in meetings that are generally well run. To get into more depth, you need RONR. After you get RONR, if you find it too difficult to understand, you might consider Robert's Rules for Dummies by C. Alan Jennings. It is not a substitute for RONR and should not be cited as a parliamentary authority, but it is based solidly on RONR and can be an excellent help in understanding RONR. It's written more for the layman or novice. In terms of depth and complexity, I would say it is between RONRIB and RONR. It is about $17 in bookstores and $12.50 on Amazon. Keep in mind, though, that RONR is the ultimate authority. If you order both RONR and Robert's Rules for Dummies from Amazon, it will cost just over $25 and qualify for free shipping even if you don't have Amazon Prime. btw, congratulations on joining the forum! I think you fill find it much easier to use as a member! Edited April 28, 2016 at 10:22 PM by Richard Brown Added last two paragraphs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikanjoy Posted February 1, 2017 at 08:36 PM Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 at 08:36 PM Wow, you guys are sooo good at avoiding the question. Do you have to go to school to learn that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hieu H. Huynh Posted February 1, 2017 at 09:10 PM Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 at 09:10 PM No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted February 1, 2017 at 09:22 PM Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 at 09:22 PM “The motion to Lay on the Table enables the assembly to lay the pending question aside temporarily when something else of immediate urgency has arisen or when something else needs to be addressed before consideration of the pending question is resumed, in such a way that: • there is no set time for taking the matter up again; • but (until the expiration of time limits explained on p. 214) its consideration can be resumed at the will of a majority and in preference to any new questions that may then be competing with it for consideration.” “The subsidiary motion to Postpone to a Certain Time (or Postpone Definitely, or Postpone) is the motion by which action on a pending question can be put off, within limits, to a definite day, meeting, or hour, or until after a certain event.” “Postpone Indefinitely is a motion that the assembly decline to take a position on the main question. Its adoption kills the main motion (for the duration of the session) and avoids a direct vote on the question." (RONR, 11th ed., p. 209; p. 179; p. 126) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted February 1, 2017 at 09:23 PM Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 at 09:23 PM On 4/28/2016 at 4:18 AM, Guest Ann said: Please explain the difference between Table and Postpone (both Definitely and Indefinitely). One "difference" is how the agenda item re-appears. 1.) For Lay on the Table, if you wish the Table'd item to reappear, you must move to Take From The Table. 2.) For Postpone Definitely, the very act of postponing includes the explicit hour, or date, or both, when the agenda item is to be automatically placed (again) before the meeting. 3.) For Postpone Indefinitely, the agenda item is dead. To make it re-appear, you would have to move it again, in the next meeting (technically, the next "session"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted February 1, 2017 at 11:01 PM Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 at 11:01 PM At least 3 of us have (or are). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted February 2, 2017 at 05:56 AM Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 at 05:56 AM 8 hours ago, Daniel H. Honemann said: “The motion to Lay on the Table enables the assembly to lay the pending question aside temporarily when something else of immediate urgency has arisen or when something else needs to be addressed before consideration of the pending question is resumed, in such a way that: • there is no set time for taking the matter up again; • but (until the expiration of time limits explained on p. 214) its consideration can be resumed at the will of a majority and in preference to any new questions that may then be competing with it for consideration.” “The subsidiary motion to Postpone to a Certain Time (or Postpone Definitely, or Postpone) is the motion by which action on a pending question can be put off, within limits, to a definite day, meeting, or hour, or until after a certain event.” “Postpone Indefinitely is a motion that the assembly decline to take a position on the main question. Its adoption kills the main motion (for the duration of the session) and avoids a direct vote on the question." (RONR, 11th ed., p. 209; p. 179; p. 126) Does it always take nine months to get answers around here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted February 2, 2017 at 06:38 PM Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 at 06:38 PM (edited) 12 hours ago, Shmuel Gerber said: Does it always take nine months to get answers around here? Since no one really took up Postpone Definitely until Dan did, it definitely does. Edited February 2, 2017 at 06:41 PM by George Mervosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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