Table vs. Postpone

[Guest Ann]

Please explain the difference between Table and Postpone (both Definitely and Indefinitely).

[jstackpo]

See pages 209ff. & 671ff.

[Shmuel Gerber]

And see FAQ 12 and FAQ 13.

[Shmuel Gerber]

1 hour ago, jstackpo said:

See pages 209ff. & 671ff.

The index is quite large, I'm not sure it helps to supply it as if referring to a section in the book.

[Richard Brown]

5 hours ago, Guest Ann said:

Please explain the difference between Table and Postpone (both Definitely and Indefinitely).

I second John Stackpole's (jstackpo) suggestion in another thread that you get a copy of RONR in Brief and/or RONR.  RONR in Brief is about $7.50 both in bookstores and online.  RONR is about $18 in bookstores and only $11 or 12 from Amazon.  Most large bookstores generally have both.

Edited to add:  I see that RONR in Brief is currently $6 on Amazon  and RONR is $13.45.  The prices fluctuate.   You can still get both (if you want both) for $20.  Find another book costing $5 and you get free shipping even without Amazon Prime.

Edited April 28, 2016 at 05:14 PM by Richard Brown

[Ann]

I already have RONRIB.  I should get the cumbersome version too though.

[Richard Brown]

18 minutes ago, Ann said:

I already have RONRIB.  I should get the cumbersome version too though.

Yes, with the questions you have, you need something more in depth than RONRIB.    RONRIB is pretty basic and does not go into much depth.  It is designed for people who  know very little about RONR and want a basic guide for how to make motions, etc, in meetings that are generally well run.  To get into  more depth, you need RONR.

After you get RONR, if you find it too  difficult  to understand, you might consider Robert's Rules for  Dummies by C. Alan Jennings.  It is not a substitute for RONR and should not be cited as a parliamentary authority, but it is based solidly on RONR and can be an excellent help in understanding RONR.   It's written more for the layman or novice.  In terms of depth and complexity, I would say it is between RONRIB and RONR.  It is about $17 in bookstores and $12.50 on Amazon.  Keep in mind, though, that RONR is the ultimate authority.

If you order both RONR and Robert's Rules for Dummies from Amazon, it will cost just over $25 and qualify for free shipping even if you don't have Amazon Prime.

btw, congratulations on joining the forum!  I think you fill find it much easier to use as a member!

Edited April 28, 2016 at 10:22 PM by Richard Brown
Added last two paragraphs

[Guest Mikanjoy]

Wow, you guys are sooo good at avoiding the question. Do you have to go to school to learn that?

[Hieu H. Huynh]

No.

[Dan Honemann]

“The motion to Lay on the Table enables the assembly to lay the pending question aside temporarily when something else of immediate urgency has arisen or when something else needs to be addressed before consideration of the pending question is resumed, in such a way that:

                •             there is no set time for taking the matter up again;

                •             but (until the expiration of time limits explained on p. 214) its consideration can be resumed at the will of a majority and in preference to any new questions that may then be competing with it for consideration.”

 

“The subsidiary motion to Postpone to a Certain Time (or Postpone Definitely, or Postpone) is the motion by which action on a pending question can be put off, within limits, to a definite day, meeting, or hour, or until after a certain event.”

 

“Postpone Indefinitely is a motion that the assembly decline to take a position on the main question. Its adoption kills the main motion (for the duration of the session) and avoids a direct vote on the question."

 

(RONR, 11^th ed., p. 209; p. 179; p. 126)

 

[Kim Goldsworthy]

On 4/28/2016 at 4:18 AM, Guest Ann said:

Please explain the difference between

Table and

Postpone (both Definitely and Indefinitely).

One "difference" is how the agenda item re-appears.

1.) For Lay on the Table, if you wish the Table'd item to reappear, you must move to Take From The Table.

2.) For Postpone Definitely, the very act of postponing includes the explicit hour, or date, or both, when the agenda item is to be automatically placed (again) before the meeting.

3.) For Postpone Indefinitely, the agenda item is dead. To make it re-appear, you would have to move it again, in the next meeting (technically, the next "session").

[Joshua Katz]

At least 3 of us have (or are).

[Shmuel Gerber]

8 hours ago, Daniel H. Honemann said:

“The motion to Lay on the Table enables the assembly to lay the pending question aside temporarily when something else of immediate urgency has arisen or when something else needs to be addressed before consideration of the pending question is resumed, in such a way that:

                •             there is no set time for taking the matter up again;

                •             but (until the expiration of time limits explained on p. 214) its consideration can be resumed at the will of a majority and in preference to any new questions that may then be competing with it for consideration.”

 

“The subsidiary motion to Postpone to a Certain Time (or Postpone Definitely, or Postpone) is the motion by which action on a pending question can be put off, within limits, to a definite day, meeting, or hour, or until after a certain event.”

 

“Postpone Indefinitely is a motion that the assembly decline to take a position on the main question. Its adoption kills the main motion (for the duration of the session) and avoids a direct vote on the question."

 

(RONR, 11^th ed., p. 209; p. 179; p. 126)

 

Does it always take nine months to get answers around here?

[George Mervosh]

12 hours ago, Shmuel Gerber said:

Does it always take nine months to get answers around here?

Since no one really took up Postpone Definitely until Dan did, it definitely does.    

Edited February 2, 2017 at 06:41 PM by George Mervosh