Guest Gary Posted March 4, 2020 at 06:35 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 at 06:35 PM During a Roll Call vote is it permissible for someone to asked to be "passed" and then asked for their vote once all other members have submitted their votes? This would be done for a strategic reason, just wondering if it is permissible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lages Posted March 4, 2020 at 07:24 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 at 07:24 PM Yes, it is permissible (RONR, p.421, l. 7-8). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atul Kapur Posted March 4, 2020 at 10:54 PM Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 at 10:54 PM I have done it, but with a group that was not very knowledgeable. So, to avoid my "pass" being interpreted as an abstention, I said, "come back to me". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted March 5, 2020 at 03:12 AM Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 at 03:12 AM 4 hours ago, Atul Kapur said: I have done it, but with a group that was not very knowledgeable. So, to avoid my "pass" being interpreted as an abstention, I said, "come back to me". Back in the day, there was a member of the Student Government Senate who would routinely "pass" on roll-call votes. When the other senators got tired of this, they all "passed" on their turn. There's no "double passing" mentioned in RONR, but I wonder what would have happened if she had tried that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atul Kapur Posted March 5, 2020 at 07:43 PM Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 at 07:43 PM I believe when everyone passes, then you're no longer following the rules according to Robert but according to Hoyle 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted March 6, 2020 at 04:05 AM Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 at 04:05 AM 8 hours ago, Atul Kapur said: I believe when everyone passes, then you're no longer following the rules according to Robert but according to Hoyle 😃 If nobody raises, you read 'em and weep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted March 6, 2020 at 11:13 PM Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 at 11:13 PM 19 hours ago, Gary Novosielski said: If nobody raises, you read 'em and weep. "Hearing no objection, the motion is adopted?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atul Kapur Posted March 7, 2020 at 05:34 AM Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 at 05:34 AM 6 hours ago, J. J. said: "Hearing no objection, the motion is adopted?" More like, "The motion passes." 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted March 7, 2020 at 12:32 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 at 12:32 PM “The motion passes” might be the phrase preferred in RONR, but I personally have a preference for the phrase “The motion is adopted”. We refer to action an assembly took in the past as “something previously adopted”, not as “something previously passed”. The phrase “previously passed” sounds too much like “passed over”, meaning skipped. We also use the term “passed” to refer to NOT voting. So, I personally prefer “The motion is adopted”. Not that it really makes much difference. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted March 7, 2020 at 04:11 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 at 04:11 PM RONR (11th ed.), p.32, presents four words: "adopts" [is adopted, in the passive voice]; [is] "carried"; [is] "lost"; and [is] "rejected". Other equivalent, commonly-used words are mentioned on p. 124: "accept" [is accepted] and "agree to" [is agreed to]. The word, "ratify" [is ratified] signifies the validation of an action previously taken. Equivalent words are "approve" [is approved] and "confirm" [is confirmed]. While the words "pass" or "fail" are not used in RONR in this way, they are often used in legislative bodies and other bodies that model themselves as legislative bodies to signify adoption or rejection of statutes, ordinances, and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 7, 2020 at 05:31 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 at 05:31 PM 4 hours ago, Richard Brown said: “The motion passes” might be the phrase preferred in RONR, .... Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted March 7, 2020 at 10:15 PM Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 at 10:15 PM I find most pleasing to the ear: motions being adopted, and amendments being agreed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted March 8, 2020 at 12:38 AM Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 at 12:38 AM 8 hours ago, Rob Elsman said: RONR (11th ed.), p.32, presents four words: "adopts" [is adopted, in the passive voice]; [is] "carried"; [is] "lost"; and [is] "rejected". Did you mean the passing voice? 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted March 8, 2020 at 02:40 AM Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 at 02:40 AM Mr. Gerber! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted March 8, 2020 at 04:51 AM Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 at 04:51 AM 16 hours ago, Richard Brown said: “The motion passes” might be the phrase preferred in RONR, but I personally have a preference for the phrase “The motion is adopted”. We refer to action an assembly took in the past as “something previously adopted”, not as “something previously passed”. Yes, but in other contexts this same argument seems not to persuade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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