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Gary Novosielski

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  1. When a vacancy for vice-president is filled, the person holding that office is called "Vice President". You can't evade the provisions of the bylaws with word play.
  2. The rule is one-person/one-vote. Positions do not have votes. People do. See Öne Person One Vote" in §45.
  3. So common parliamentary law sometimes compels organizations to follow additional rules that are not common parliamentary law. Okay.
  4. That would depend on the exact language. Does it say that having served as in one office for n terms, a person may not run for any other office?
  5. Such a rule is not in the nature of a rule of order, and cannot be suspended. The member has basically stated that he/she is not qualified to hold that office. I think it should be treated as a resignation.
  6. It should be obvious, to native speakers at least, that someone who is present yet not voting is not present and voting. You had two abstentions, one by casting a blank ballot and one by casting no ballot. Those members were not voting, and were therefore not present and voting. A 6-2 vote clearly meets the requirements of a 2/3 vote, and no reasonable case can be made to the contrary.
  7. Unless your bylaws say otherwise. If a midterm vacancy occurs in the office of president, whether by resignation, removal, death, or what have you, The vice president becomes president automatically Nobody becomes vice president automatically, unless your society has a numbered sequence of vice presidents, in which case the 1st VP becomes president, and all other VP's subtract 1 from the ordinal number of their office, and slide over one chair. In any case, a vacancy is created in the office of vice president, or the highest numbered vice president in the latter case. It seems to me that if the removal is overruled or rescinded by a higher authority, everyone who changed office as a result of the removal resumes their previous office. If anyone was appointed to any resulting vacancy, they're un-appointed. Of course you might have customized rules on this, which would supersede anything in RONR. Or the Order of Reinstatement might specify how things should get sorted out. But I see no reason to presume that the effect of such a reinstatement would be any different from what happens if a motion is rescinded or is declared null and void after its apparent passage.
  8. Unless of course this belief is based on the fact that the member of the board is not a member of the general membership, which is unusual but not unheard of.
  9. If in fact it was a Parliamentary Inquiry, then yes, the member should have made the nomination anyway. There is no way to Appeal an inquiry, becsuse an inquiry is not a ruling. If the nomination, when actually made, was ruled improper, that would have been the time to lodge an Appeal. And if I were a member, and the chair consulted source after source, including the founding documents and The Work itself, and found no evidence of the existence of this magic rule he had made up, yet nevertheless went right ahead and enforced it anyway, I think I'd be drafting a resolution of censure, at a minimum.
  10. The practice you describe is not anything in RONR, and to the best of my knowledge never was. The chair should rule it out of order. Whether a vote is required for unopposed candidates is something you will have to consult your bylaws to find out. If a ballot vote is required in the bylaws, then a ballot vote must be held (with write-in votes allowed) unless the bylaws have an explicit provision for dispensing with a vote in the case of unopposed candidates. If your bylaws do not require a vote, the chair does not direct the Secretary cast any vote. The chair simply announces that if there are no further nominations for the office, the sole nominee is elected by acclamation.
  11. Absolutely not. Such a motion would be out of order, and would probably create a continuing breach. The church would have to amend its bylaws, using the method contained in the bylaws for their own amendment, in order to change any term limits contained in the bylaws. Such rules are not suspendible.
  12. No, a member need not be present. The member who was willing to be nominated acted quite properly by supplying the letter. I'm mildly shocked by the fact that after the chair was completely unable to support his claim after referring to the founding documents, and RONR, nobody apparently thought to Appeal [§24] from the decision of the chair, and put the matter to a vote. The chair does not have the powers of a dictator. Rulings are ultimately decided by the assembly. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." --Frederick Douglass
  13. It may not be relevant, but a vote of 14 - 8 does not amount to a 2/3 vote, if that was indeed the requirement.
  14. I'm also of the view that the assembly can't delegate power to do this, if the bylaws are that specific. But like any motion to do anything, the assembly could refer the matter to a committee for buffing and polishing before acting on, amending, or ignoring its recommendations, which would be in the nature of nominations
  15. I'd leave off the illegal votes, since there weren't any. The business about one vote needed to elect is only true in the case that there is but one vote cast (or no votes cast) . If one vote is cast, a majority is one, since one is the smallest integer more than one half of one. In that case, one vote is needed to elect, and the candidate is elected. If no votes are cast, the smallest integer more than half of zero is still one, so again, one vote is needed to elect, but in this case, a majority was not reached, and so nobody is elected. The abstentions are not counted as votes, and don't raise the number needed to elect, but you've clearly got that point right. Good luck.
  16. I think the meeting would fall under the "subsequent meeting" instructions, but they refer back to the rule that applies to the first meeting, so it appears that two members are sufficient to call a meeting if the chair fails to call one. Whether the chair "failed" or not is, I think, up to the committee to decide, unless overruled by the parent body. If a meeting is improperly called, it is not a valid meeting, and nothing done is valid, but the most likely way that would happen in this scenario is if the two people calling the meeting failed to send notice of the meeting to all committee members.
  17. There should be no "Yes" or "No" votes in an election. If the vote was by ballot, that ballot would contain the names of those nominated, with space for write-in votes. I don't believe so. I would treat them as not indicating a preference, which RONR advises that the tellers should ignore; But stay tuned for other opinions.
  18. ...and certainly are not a record of what occurred after the meeting.
  19. The votes of individuals are not reflected in the minutes unless the vote was a Roll-Call vote, which would be highly unusual in the case of an election. In the usual case, where elections are carried out by ballot vote, the votes of members are secret, and could not be included in the minutes because they are unknown. And in any case, it is not possible to vote for nobody. The only way to vote against a candidate is to vote for someone else. Votes that do not express a preference for any candidate are treated as abstentions, and deemed to acquiesce in the decision reached by a majority of those voting. What does go in the minutes is the Teller's Report.
  20. It may be a stretch. What if the chair instructed the secretary to read it? In any case, I think it's safe to say that if the member wishes to assert her right to participate in debate, the only foolproof way is to show up at meetings.
  21. Yes. It's prohibited. You'd need rules in your bylaws to allow for electronic "attendance"
  22. No, that's nonsense. When you abstain, voting is what you're abstaining from. You have no effect on the outcome, one way or the other.
  23. There's no rule against it in RONR. But of course if it makes members uncomfortable they can easily avoid the problem by electing only one (or neither) of them.
  24. The retiring officer need not have bothered to clearly state anything, since he was not elected. None of the candidates received a majority, so you need to hold a second and possibly subsequent ballots until someone is elected. If the person elected declines, you keep on voting.
  25. If the chair may vote only in the event of a tie (which is not the rule in RONR, by the way), yet chooses to abstain instead, that's fine. However, a tie vote simply defeats the motion then and there. It does not hang around in limbo waiting for "verbiage" to emerge. So the chair, either by voting No or by abstaining, has effectively decided to defeat the motion. And no, you can't censure someone for exercising a basic right. At least not if you expect to be taken seriously.
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