Guest Pam Claes Posted March 19, 2015 at 02:59 PM Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 at 02:59 PM If a board gets caught up in discussion of a resolution and fails to do a first and second motion to approve and just votes and approves the resolution without a motion to approve does the board have to vote over at the next meeting on that resolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted March 19, 2015 at 03:09 PM Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 at 03:09 PM No (RONR pp. 250-251). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Coronite Posted March 19, 2015 at 08:32 PM Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 at 08:32 PM If a board gets caught up in discussion of a resolution and fails to do a first and second motion to approve and just votes and approves the resolution without a motion to approve does the board have to vote over at the next meeting on that resolution? Are you saying your board's MO is: make a motion/resolution;then discuss it;then make a motion to approve it (first time)then make a motion to approve it (2nd time)? But what happened this time was: a motion/resolution was made;then it was discussed;then you voted on it? If so, what happened is basically what should happen per RONR. The first scenario is not. Forgive me if I misunderstood your scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted March 19, 2015 at 08:37 PM Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 at 08:37 PM Forgive me if I misunderstood your scenario. You weren't the only one. I think Mr. Harrison was thinking the question was about adopting a motion when it hadn't been seconded but I wasn't so sure. I just couldn't come up with a succinct way to express my confusion. You did better than I would have. Hopefully Ms. Claes will return to set us straight (to the extent that can be accomplished!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 20, 2015 at 02:10 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 at 02:10 PM If a board gets caught up in discussion of a resolution and fails to do a first and second motion to approve and just votes and approves the resolution without a motion to approve does the board have to vote over at the next meeting on that resolution? No (RONR pp. 250-251). Are you saying your board's MO is: make a motion/resolution;then discuss it;then make a motion to approve it (first time)then make a motion to approve it (2nd time)? But what happened this time was: a motion/resolution was made;then it was discussed;then you voted on it? If so, what happened is basically what should happen per RONR. The first scenario is not. Forgive me if I misunderstood your scenario. Hi all,I was not at the meeting so I had to listen to the recording to discover the sequence of events. What happened was the board president read the resolution and a discussion started among the board members about the resolution. Once discussion ended they just voted on the resolution. There was no first or second motion, just a vote on the resolution. Thanks again for your help,Pam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted March 20, 2015 at 02:15 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 at 02:15 PM Hi all,I was not at the meeting so I had to listen to the recording to discover the sequence of events. What happened was the board president read the resolution and a discussion started among the board members about the resolution. Once discussion ended they just voted on the resolution. There was no first or second motion, just a vote on the resolution. Thanks again for your help,Pam The vote was valid and all is well. It's too late now to raise a point of order about it, as Mr. Harrison noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted March 20, 2015 at 02:37 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 at 02:37 PM Hi all, There was no first or second motion, just a vote on the resolution. Pam This business of two votes on a resolution is not a rule from RONR. Is it one of your association rules? If so, get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted March 20, 2015 at 02:48 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 at 02:48 PM This business of two votes on a resolution is not a rule from RONR. Is it one of your association rules? If so, get rid of it. I didn't read that in any of her facts, so perhaps there is confusion. I think she was just wondering if they had to start anew given the messy procedure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted March 20, 2015 at 03:00 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 at 03:00 PM Once discussion ended they just voted on the resolution. There was no first or second motion, just a vote on the resolution. A resolution is a motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Coronite Posted March 20, 2015 at 04:01 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 at 04:01 PM If a board gets caught up in discussion of a resolution and fails to do a first and second motion to approve and just votes and approves the resolution without a motion to approve does the board have to vote over at the next meeting on that resolution? Hi all,I was not at the meeting so I had to listen to the recording to discover the sequence of events. What happened was the board president read the resolution and a discussion started among the board members about the resolution. Once discussion ended they just voted on the resolution. There was no first or second motion, just a vote on the resolution. Thanks again for your help,Pam You basically just restated the confusing part. Again, what you describe as actually having happened sounds basically like proper procedure. What you're implying you think perhaps should have happened is quite confusing and doesn't sound proper, to me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted March 20, 2015 at 04:15 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 at 04:15 PM It sounds to me like the chair essentially "assumed" the motion as described on page 54, which is permissible. It was just done rather awkwardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted March 20, 2015 at 06:45 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 at 06:45 PM You basically just restated the confusing part. Again, what you describe as actually having happened sounds basically like proper procedure. What you're implying you think perhaps should have happened is quite confusing and doesn't sound proper, to me anyway.I believe what the OP is trying to say is that the chair read a resolution which had not been made or seconded, and (after debate) a vote was taken on this resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Coronite Posted March 20, 2015 at 07:23 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 at 07:23 PM You may be right. I'm taking it to be more akin to the practice of 2nd and 3rd readings I sometimes see questions about here. Or discussing a motion, then requiring a motion to vote on the motion. Something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted March 20, 2015 at 07:23 PM Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 at 07:23 PM I believe what the OP is trying to say is that the chair read a resolution which had not been made or seconded, and (after debate) a vote was taken on this resolution. Your guess is as good as any. But if this was a small board (where the chair could participate fully and seconds aren't required) doesn't reading the resolution constitute making a motion to adopt the resolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted March 21, 2015 at 01:13 AM Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 at 01:13 AM But if this was a small board (where the chair could participate fully and seconds aren't required) doesn't reading the resolution constitute making a motion to adopt the resolution? That's probably what should have happened, but since the board does not appear to be aware of either of these things, I don't know why the chair was reading the resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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