JeffUrsillo Posted February 26, 2018 at 05:17 PM Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 05:17 PM Does RONR address the difference between the two? I read on "RONR for Dummies" (not sure how accurate that is, hence my question) that amendments need to go through the entire voting process, but a restating can be issued by the head officer of the organization. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted February 26, 2018 at 05:19 PM Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 05:19 PM 1 minute ago, JeffUrsillo said: Does RONR address the difference between the two? I read on "RONR for Dummies" (not sure how accurate that is, hence my question) that amendments need to go through the entire voting process, but a restating can be issued by the head officer of the organization. Jeff RONR doesn't mention anything about "a restating". What is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffUrsillo Posted February 26, 2018 at 05:30 PM Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 05:30 PM this is the best explanation I could find.. " Bylaw Contents Bylaws contain the details pertaining to a corporation’s name and location, board of director positions, election procedures, stock certificates and dividends, meeting protocols and any other topics the board members believe are fundamental to the governance of the organization. Restatements There are instances when sections in the bylaw document need clarification. In an instance in which the wording seems confusing to board members or needs to be stated in a different manner to better clarify the statement, the section would be restated to reflect the clarification. Amendments There may be times when board members decide elements in the bylaw document are no longer relevant or valid. In this instance, the board could opt to amend the bylaw document by making the needed substitution, alteration or omission. Unlike the restatement that simply reaffirms a statement in the bylaws, the amended bylaw’s meaning is changed. Restate or Amend If there is an occasion that requires a fundamental change such as an amendment or a restatement, the board may need to make a determination about whether to restate a confusing bylaw, alter its meaning in a significant way or omit the statement completely. If changes must be made to the bylaws, the board uses the protocols outlined in the bylaws for making amendments or alterations. From BizFluent.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted February 26, 2018 at 05:33 PM Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 05:33 PM 1 minute ago, JeffUrsillo said: There are instances when sections in the bylaw document need clarification. In an instance in which the wording seems confusing to board members or needs to be stated in a different manner to better clarify the statement, the section would be restated to reflect the clarification. There is no such thing in RONR. To change the wording of a bylaw (unless your organization has adopted some provision like a Style Committee), you amend it. I haven't read the Dummies book (it is an exercise for the reader if that is because I am not a dummy, or despite being one), so I have no idea what it says on the subject, but if it claims there's some difference between amending the words and changing the effect (just where do effects come from, after all?) then I might question if "for" should be changed to a different preposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted February 26, 2018 at 05:40 PM Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 05:40 PM 22 minutes ago, JeffUrsillo said: Does RONR address the difference between the two? I read on "RONR for Dummies" (not sure how accurate that is, hence my question) that amendments need to go through the entire voting process, but a restating can be issued by the head officer of the organization. For starters, I have a copy of the current edition of Robert’s Rules for Dummies, and know it rather well, and I was unable to find the language you are referring to. The website you have quoted may be referring to an outdated edition. Or perhaps they just made up their own stuff and it is not affiliated with the actual Dummies line. In any event, the only way to change the wording of the bylaws is through the amendment process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffUrsillo Posted February 26, 2018 at 07:11 PM Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 07:11 PM Ok, Josh....Thank you....appreciate the time and advice... Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffUrsillo Posted February 26, 2018 at 07:26 PM Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 07:26 PM Josh, here is the RR for dummies page that I mentioned above. http://www.dummies.com/careers/business-skills/roberts-rules-for-amending-bylaws/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted February 26, 2018 at 07:51 PM Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 07:51 PM 13 minutes ago, JeffUrsillo said: Josh, here is the RR for dummies page that I mentioned above.http://www.dummies.com/careers/business-skills/roberts-rules-for-amending-bylaws/ I didn't find anything there about "Restatement" but it did mention the distinction between specific amendments and a revision, especially as regards scope-of-notice considerations. However, the term amendment may be properly applied to anything that leaves the bylaws changed--anything from changing a single comma to revising the whole shebang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted February 26, 2018 at 08:12 PM Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 08:12 PM Why does Alan get two PRP designations after his name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted February 26, 2018 at 09:12 PM Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 at 09:12 PM 59 minutes ago, George Mervosh said: Why does Alan get two PRP designations after his name? He passed the test by two points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted February 27, 2018 at 12:18 AM Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 at 12:18 AM 4 hours ago, JeffUrsillo said: Josh, here is the RR for dummies page that I mentioned above. http://www.dummies.com/careers/business-skills/roberts-rules-for-amending-bylaws/ I don’t see anything about a “restatement” on that page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted March 1, 2018 at 11:15 PM Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 at 11:15 PM (edited) I'm familiar with all three editions of Robert's Rules for Dummies and don't recall any of the quoted provisions regarding "restatement" of bylaws in any of the editions. Mr. Jennings is an outstanding Parliamentarian and I believe all three editions are excellent books which can be a great help in understanding RONR. I have found them very true to RONR . As Mr. Jennings says himself, his Dummies books are not intended to be substitutes for RONR, but rather are books about RONR. I recommend them frequently. The current edition is the 3rd edition. Edited March 1, 2018 at 11:16 PM by Richard Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jandm Posted July 7, 2019 at 05:59 PM Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 05:59 PM We need to strengthen our Board of only 3, who are making poor decisions and avoiding all bylaws. The wording in our bylaws are: ARTICLE XII - AMENDMENTS These bylaws may be amended at any General Meeting of members by two-thirds (2/3) majority vote of those present. Amendment will be presented in writing to all members at the previous meeting. The question is, can we as members, propose an amendment to bylaws directly to members. Does it have to go through the Board of three first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lages Posted July 7, 2019 at 06:02 PM Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 06:02 PM (edited) Please post your question as a new topic, even though it may be similar to a previous topic. Edited: Please disregard - this has already been posted as a new topic - thanks, jandm. Edited July 7, 2019 at 06:03 PM by Bruce Lages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted July 7, 2019 at 06:03 PM Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 06:03 PM Nothing in RONR requires general members to submit amendments to the bylaws to the executive board prior to making the motion for adoption in the general membership assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted July 7, 2019 at 06:05 PM Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 at 06:05 PM Sorry, Mr. Lages, you're well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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