Guest howard chaiet (hbchaiet@ao Posted April 14, 2011 at 06:04 PM Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 at 06:04 PM If a memeber of a Board votes no and the motion pases, can the Board member request that the reason a negative vote was cast be included in the minutes. hbchaiet@aol.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted April 14, 2011 at 06:12 PM Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 at 06:12 PM If a memeber of a Board votes no and the motion pases, can the Board member request that the reason a negative vote was cast be included in the minutes.The Board member can make the request but the Board is under no obligation to grant it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted April 14, 2011 at 06:37 PM Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 at 06:37 PM If a memeber of a Board votes no and the motion pases, can the Board member request that the reason a negative vote was cast be included in the minutes. hbchaiet@aol.comIn the general case, such a request is dilatory and out of order. The minutes are the official journal of the assembly's proceedings, not the personal journal of an individual, disgruntled member who is on the losing side of a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted April 14, 2011 at 06:50 PM Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 at 06:50 PM In the general case, such a request is dilatory and out of order. The minutes are the official journal of the assembly's proceedings, not the personal journal of an individual, disgruntled member who is on the losing side of a question.Who says he's disgruntled? Considering some of the motions we've read about here that get adopted, there are a couple I wouldn't want my name attached to as part of the assembly that adopted it (I'm not a fan of going to court). But no matter, in the general case and as long as the system isn't being abused, and unless Rob is presiding, the request can be granted by unanimous consent or a majority vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted April 14, 2011 at 06:59 PM Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 at 06:59 PM Who says he's disgruntled? Considering some of the motions we've read about here that get adopted, there are a couple I wouldn't want my name attached to as part of the assembly that adopted it (I'm not a fan of going to court). But no matter, in the general case and as long as the system isn't being abused, and unless Rob is presiding, the request can be granted by unanimous consent or a majority vote.If members were properly trained, those on the losing side of a question would ("gracefully"!) channel their energies to "...secure its repeal", RONR (10th ed.), p. xliv, rather than make pointless requests to clutter the minutes with things that have nothing to do with what the assembly actually decided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted April 14, 2011 at 11:20 PM Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 at 11:20 PM If members were properly trained, those on the losing side of a question would ("gracefully"!) channel their energies to "...secure its repeal", RONR (10th ed.), p. xliv, rather than make pointless requests to clutter the minutes with things that have nothing to do with what the assembly actually decided.Until you train them, I agree with Chris H. (what's new about that?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted April 14, 2011 at 11:37 PM Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 at 11:37 PM Until you train them, I agree with Chris H. (what's new about that?)But George, have you ever seen a practical use for recording the reason for a "no" vote in the minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted April 15, 2011 at 03:29 AM Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 at 03:29 AM If a memeber of a Board votes no and the motion pases, can the Board member request that the reason a negative vote was cast be included in the minutes. hbchaiet@aol.comThey can request it but it should not be allowed. The member could have moved for a roll-call vote if it was important to know who voted how. Asking that only one member's vote be recorded is frivolous. And it is certainly not in order to include the reasons for a vote in the minutes. Doing so is tantamount to recording debate in the minutes, which is improper. It is not even in order for a member to verbally explain the reason why they voted a certain way. Debate should take place during debate, when it at least has a chance of doing some good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted April 15, 2011 at 03:42 AM Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 at 03:42 AM But George, have you ever seen a practical use for recording the reason for a "no" vote in the minutes?I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted April 15, 2011 at 02:55 PM Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 at 02:55 PM I have.Me too. If you show up in St. Petersburg we can talk about it at the 2FP meeting, SG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Ralph Posted April 15, 2011 at 03:03 PM Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 at 03:03 PM The usual reason is because the board member thinks it's a terrible decision and wants to be able to say "I TOLD YOU SO" when the motion is executed and it turns out bad.I agree with the above that it should not be entertained, although one organization I was secretary to once had it in the bylaws that "decisions shall be by consensus in the first instance, and thereafter with a majority vote; in the event of a tie, the chair shall have a second casting vote, and after a vote on a resolution, a member opposed to the resolution may have his dissent noted in the minutes".This offends my sensibilities in so many ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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