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George Mervosh

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  1. They are never barred from voting under the rules in RONR as they have the exact same right to vote as any other board or committee member. See FAQ#2 https://robertsrules.com/frequently-asked-questions/#faqs
  2. Nothing in Robert's Rules requires multiple readings but you should check with your city's attorney to be sure nothing in the city's other rules or applicable statute provide for multiple readings.
  3. Remind the presiding officer from now on: "If the maker of the motion to Reconsider fails to state which side he voted on, the chair, before making any other response, directs the member to do so: CHAIR: The member moving the reconsideration must state how he voted on the resolution ["motion," "amendment," etc.]." (This quote is from the 11th edition, but I'm doubting it changed in the 12th)
  4. " An organization should never adopt a bylaw permitting a question to be decided by a voting procedure in which the votes of persons who attend a meeting are counted together with ballots mailed in by absentees. The votes of those present could be affected by debate, by amendments, and perhaps by the need for repeated balloting, while those absent would be unable to adjust their votes to reflect these factors. Consequently, the absentee ballots would in most cases be on a somewhat different question than that on which those present were voting, leading to confusion, unfairness, and inaccuracy in determining the result." RONR (12th ed.), 45:56 Motions to amend and other secondary motions are certainly permissible if they are in order at the time they are made, yes. Obviously absentees won't be able to vote on any of this, which is why RONR says what it says.
  5. Only the maker of the motion is recorded. The seconder is not recorded unless ordered by the assembly.
  6. This is not the correct procedure. The board or a committee should be appointed to approve those minutes, but since they were not No. See the rules in RONR (12th ed.), 48:12
  7. I do as well! The NAP Pony Express delivered mine Saturday. Quite a delight to see RONR (12th ed.), 46:27-29 It was worth waiting for the Deluxe Version, I suppose.
  8. Can I ask what your group's parliamentarian thinks about this question, because I'm confused.
  9. Keep voting until someone receives a majority of the votes cast for that position. Nominations can also be re-opened under the rules in RONR if need be.
  10. Anytime a vote is counted on a main motion, I think the count should be announced by the chair and entered into the minutes, yes.
  11. It doesn't appear the motion was ever made.
  12. See Mr. Geiger's post with a link, 2 posts above yours.
  13. The Deluxe Edition takes longer so I might find it under my tree for Christmas.
  14. I think it would be easier to omit all reference to gender in the bylaws and call it a day, since RONR (at the least the 11th edition) doesn't say anything about this.
  15. Yeah, ditch the Iphone and dictation app and enjoy! Yours truly, Bob Mahvash
  16. The citation is from the section on procedures in board meetings. You can kick her out of a meeting if warranted following the procedures noted on pp. 645-49 but that's it. Any further discipline would have to come from the membership of the community.
  17. Suspension will not be an option if these are board meetings unless the bylaws confer additional powers to the board we don't know about. " It may protect itself against breaches of order by its members during board meetings, and against annoyance by nonmembers, by employing the procedures outlined on pages 645–49, but the maximum penalty which may be imposed upon a disorderly member of the board is that he be required to leave the meeting room during the remainder of the meeting." RONR (11th ed.), p. 486 The membership however can impose additional discipline following the proper procedures to do so.
  18. I'm reminded once again of some advice our friend GcT gave someone who was about to chair a meeting and hadn't read either book: "I expect I'm not alone in suggesting emphatically that you first get your RONR - In Brief, without delay, and read it at once. I keep saying, if you go to a store to buy it, read it standing there. Maybe move away from in front of the cashier, to allow the other customers to buy their copies. It should take you an hour or so, unless you're a college graduate -- they can take all day, tomorrow also if they have to tie their shoelaces themselves. If you're on a lunch break, you'll just have to get back a little late. If people are depending on you to feed them -- relax, they won't starve. If you're there by car, give your keys to that cashier, who will be allowed to return them to you when you're finished. If you have ordered it by mail, don't take the time to get a box-cutter to open the carton: just have at it with your fangs and claws -- you're going to chair an AGM, so you need the practice anyway."
  19. What if, at a convention of delegates, it's time to vote for the officers, but the vote will be conducted and tabulated outside of the meeting (quite similar to what NAP has done in the past), and Joe Delegate shows his credential, votes, then immediately drops his credentials off at the desk and leaves the convention for good and is no longer a delegate? Does his vote count even though he's not a member of the convention when the results are announced later in a meeting? I think so, for sure. He was a member when his vote was cast.
  20. In case Mr. Honemann is on the Bay (I hope he is): " In debate, the maker of a motion, while he can vote against it, is not allowed to speak against his own motion." RONR (11th ed.), p. 393 and "Although it is the duty of every member who has an opinion on a question to express it by his vote, he can abstain, since he cannot be compelled to vote. " RONR (11th ed.), p. 407 - note that there is no exception stated for the maker of the motion.
  21. The type of meeting you describe sounds very much like an executive committee meeting: " In a society where the board is large or its members must travel from a distance to meet, it is usual for the bylaws to establish an executive committee composed of a specified number of board members, which shall have all or much of the power of the board between meetings (just as the board has all or much of the power of the society between the society's meetings), but which cannot alter any decision made by the board (just as the board cannot alter any decision made by the society). The executive committee is thus in reality a "board within a board" and operates under the rules in this book applicable to boards rather than those applicable to committees. Usually the membership of the executive committee is specified in the bylaws, rather than being left to the choice of the full board. It is advisable that the executive committee be small and, unless it has been authorized to conduct electronic meetings (see pp. 97–99), that its members live near enough to each other to be able to hold frequent regular meetings and also special meetings when necessary. The executive secretary, if there is one, should work closely with the executive committee, but should be appointed by the parent body or at least by the board. A board cannot appoint an executive committee unless the bylaws so authorize." RONR (11th ed), p. 485
  22. This cannot be done ahead of time but once the annual meeting is called to order. See https://robertsrules.com/interp_list.html#2006_2 Given that the current presiding officer is in favor of it I'd be surprised if this couldn't be handled by unanimous consent.
  23. Nothing in Robert's Rules suggests it or requires it.
  24. The right to attend a meeting is a basic right of membership and cannot be denied. RONR (11th ed.), p. 264 and p. 251 e) and the sentence that follows.
  25. Nothing in RONR requires him to leave the meeting even if he's not going to participate in any debate or vote on the matter.
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